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Help!/NOREP deadline/ due process for goals?
Ok….i just wrote more again and got kicked out and lost everything:(. I have to submit this today and would love to talk to anyone who can answer a few questions if possible.., 310-849-8761 PRs are scored incorrectly and would like to ask the court to enforce more accountability with their progress measurement moving forward because he is not making progress, but they are just inaccurately scoring and saying he mastered something when he absolutely did not:(
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Help!/NOREP deadline/ due process for goals?
Hi Carolyn:) Thank you so much for responding! Yes, I’m in Pa, and yes, I’m also recording (with permission…..finally). They do not provide the written work easily, and when they do, I have to chase it down with multiple emails for months. I still do Not have this kiddos “big” essay from his English class, in addition to almost everything else in that class (2nd semester of 9th grade, completed in June). In October, they wasted a whole, one hour IEP meeting coming up with logistics of providing his work samples on a biweekly basis, but emailed later that day stating it was not a provision of FAPE so they would not implement the plan we just created🤬. I am currently going through the records provided 2 weeks ago per our June FERPA request, and there are so many things Blatantly missing…including work (with computer submissions, I don’t know how the district would keep…. 😶 I’ve been kicked off three times now after writing much more and it all gets erased:(:(:(. I’m going to try to continue this by logging back on… I really need input so, hopefully this gets seen🙏
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Help!/NOREP deadline/ due process for goals?
First of all, this sounds like a situation in which you need to be recording all meetings. But you appear to be in Pennsylvania (?), which is a two-party state, and it's unlikely the school district will agree to a recording. Does the district have a note-taker during meetings and if so, do they share the notes with you after the meeting? If not, you need to write up your own notes from the meeting and send to the team to document what was agreed to and what wasn't. You also need to respond to the NOREP with all the items that were requested and refused at the meeting, as well as ask for the reasoning behind the refusals. You may not receive a response, but at least you have the refusals documented. Refusing to add "work product" to the writing goal is ridiculous. If they refuse to add this, then just request the writing samples as a parent who has a right to see their child's work product. If they still refuse, do a FERPA request. I would think that would back them down a bit. I would think you could file for due process in this scenario since it is a substantive issue. However, I don't know how it is in Pennsylvania, but due process in my state is highly unsuccessful if you're a parent. But it might trigger a mediation, which would be good. Or can you request a mediation without filing for due process? That might be a better option. As far as the math goal, ask what data IS needed to demonstrate need/find eligibility in specific learning disability (math)? Also, call your state department of education and ask this question.
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Help!/NOREP deadline/ due process for goals?
Please help. Today is NOREP day 10 for high school student with ASD, ADHD, SLD written expression😱 After meeting #10 this year, an IEE completed in June, with an advocate signed on since December, there are “surprises” in the finalized version😱. My big issue: “How Progress is Measured” next to the Writing goal. Student work samples has always been included along with their “teach checklist”, “teacher rubric”, etc. In the finalized IEP, they just put Keystone Rubric alone. They had some other rubric in the draft, which I called the advocate about prior to the meeting and told her absolutely no…that his actual work samples had to be included with the rubric for Measuring Progress. She absolutely agreed, I told them at the meeting (with advocate), and they said “ok”, but they only have Keystone Rubric and refuse to add student written work samples. They also added a ridiculous baseline right with the goal that is one paragraph from last October and was not scored properly (which underscores why the actual work must be part of the “measuring progress”. They refuse to remove this “let’s shove a bunch of crap in after the meeting and after the lawyers go over it”🤬. There are a lot of things that I’m not happy about in the IEP, but this is the last straw for me. Once I allow them to implement an IEP without using my kiddos actual written work to measure goal progress, 1) I will never get my hands on his work, and 2) they will check off boxes/rubrics/excel sheets that won’t be accurate (trust me on this) and continue to fail my kiddo forward, and right out of high school:(. Can I file due process where I do not agree to the goal measurement? (Again, for good reason because their data tracking is pitiful). I know this sounds silly, but with literally a meeting a month for 2 kids at this district, where they change goals that we agreed to at a meeting and say “we determined after the meeting”, or “we looked at the data when we were writing it up”, or “we know we agreed but we looked over the data and…”. I know that after the meetings our IEPs go through a million different hands and get “tweaked” “adjusted”, etc., and the final version Always has changes that are easy to overlook, but are important. I’m sure the answer is yes, but are they allowed to change anything they want in the final version? Because plunking in a bs baseline with the writing goal (after 10 meetings), and refusing to keep “student work samples” smells rotten to me. Written expression has been a Big Deal the whole time, so these changes are not haphazard. Also, the NOREP does not state facts in some areas: kiddo got Below Basic on May Algebra Keystones (as I predicted), he had “Needs Support” benchmarks the whole year in Algebra, his IXL (3 assessments this year, last one in May) have him at 3rd grade Geometry, 2nd grade Measurement, and 5th grade in fractions, but they say and wrote on the NOREP refusing to create a math goal because, “rejected because current educational data do not demonstrate the need for separate annual math goal.” The NOREP also does not reflect things I requested and they refused at the meeting including: Adding a goal for planning and revision for Written Expression, changing the “how disability affects student” (they have 2 silly sentences that mean nothing, so I emailed a suggestion and they emailed back 2 minutes later saying no). They have no reason… Please help. I am so frustrated and do not want another IEP to go into effect when I do not agree…..if I do agree with their progress monitoring methodology, then there is no way for me to know what they are doing or how my kiddo is doing. I have seen and dealt with disappearing writing goals for years and know that without the actual work, they can and will say anything:(
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New District is wanting to replace my child's personal ipad with a school issued ipad.
Yes, requesting a PWN is always a good idea. But it doesn't always solve the problem. Have you requested an IEP meeting with the new school district IEP team? I would do that and discuss the change in the IEP, how it would affect your daughter, and how she wasn't doing anything wrong to have it taken away from her. If you have it, I would bring data (provider recommendations, examples of meltdowns if her own iPad is taken away, etc.) showing why insisting on a school-issued iPad would create a barrier to her education. Stick to data and her legal rights. If still unresolved after the meeting, definitely request a PWN with a detailed explanation of why your request was denied.
Confused? Frustrated? Slightly unhinged? Perfect. Ask away.
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Help!/NOREP deadline/ due process for goals?
Janis ·Please help. Today is NOREP day 10 for high school student with ASD, ADHD, SLD written expression😱 After meeting #10 this year, an IEE completed in June, with an advocate signed on since December, there are “surprises” in the finalized version😱. My big issue: “How Progress is Measured” next to the Writing goal. Student work samples has always been included along with their “teach checklist”, “teacher rubric”, etc. In the finalized IEP, they just put Keystone Rubric alone. They h
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Looking for EF wording for IEP Present Levels
Posting for a reader: Do you have templates or examples of specific and strongly worded Present Levels statements for highly cognitive teens who face social, emotional, and major executive functioning challenges? My son's therapeutic school tends to downplay his needs in his IEP and progress reports. While he has significant potential, his progress has been severely limited by massive work-avoidant behaviors. Any resources you could share to help ensure his IEP accurately reflects and
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My son was attacked by another child on the special needs van.
Posting for a reader: I have a question regarding the transportation for my son that his local public school provides. Last year at the end of the school year my son was attacked by another student on the same van. The student also pulled another child’s hair and also grabbed the van driver’s arm while driving. The other child goes to the same private school as my son but is a student in another school district, but the same county as we live in. The school is not in our coun
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New District is wanting to replace my child's personal ipad with a school issued ipad.
We moved to our 3rd district in TN and they are stating she can't have her personal iPad with her TD Snap app but must use a school issued iPad. IEP from previous district lists her iPad as her speech generating device. In description they specifically mention my daughter "brings her own communication device to school, however the school has a backup device if needed." New school wants to replace personal iPad with school issued iPad after my nonverbal daughter was "caught" taking screenshots of
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Absences Due to Medical
My child has had a migraine/headache every day since January. She’s missed so much school going back all the way to the start of the year. I finally got the school to do an evaluation after asking twice. 25 school days after I first asked and two meetings after they tried to talk me out of it, they finally sent me the consent to evaluation form. And 32 And 32 school days later, I saw the results. She qualified under Part A of Other Health Disability and met the criteria in Part B/
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Middle school Articulation meeting-trying to strip my child's IEP goals and pull outs
stone ·We had our middle school articulation meeting as my child (ADHD & 2e, with poor executive function) is going into middle school next year. They said they will keep all my child's accommodations, but not the pull outs because the school "doesn't do that". Is this legal? She has not met her most of her IEP goals. And has definitely the goals for spelling and executive function. She gets pulled out for spelling using Wilsons. Yet her spelling is below grade level and she can not write a 3 sent
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Lisa Lightner: A Day in Our Shoes
A blog by Lisa Lightner in Parent and Professional Blogs- 17 Entries
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Essays, commentary, and reflections from Lisa Lightner on advocacy, parenting, and the realities behind the IEP process.
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I often get asked why I am such an ardent advocate for vaccines. So here’s my answer….I am passionate about getting the truth out about vaccines because I was anti-vaxxer. Yes, you read that correctly. For almost a year, I stopped vaccinating my child.
Our diagnosis day was right before a holiday weekend. We were given K’s chromosomal diagnosis…and we had no one to talk to. Offices were closed for the holiday. Just us and the internet…all weekend long. We searched the internet because that is what parents do now. With K’s condition, we had this beautiful infant in front of us, but what the internet told us was quite ugly. Among other things, we read that he could/would develop: seizures, mental retardation (because that is the term that was used then and trust me it smacks you in the face much harder than intellectual disability), and autism spectrum disorder and possibly a sudden unexplained death syndrome-sort of like SIDS, but for older kids with seizures.
Too distraught to even talk much, we shared the news with close family via phone and email and sent them the link to the information page. Most were speechless.
When you receive a diagnosis like this, I can’t even explain what it feels like. It is so many emotions and yet a complete emptiness all at once…I had this mania running through my head because I didn’t know where to turn or what to do first. You hug your family, your cry, you scream, you read and read some more. There is such a rawness and complete vulnerability that you can’t even explain or try to recreate or liken to something else.
One thing the anti-vaccine people have going for them, is that there is more anti-vaccine information online than there is true vaccine information. Or it appears that way, when you’re distressed and searching at 2 am. There is a plethora of anti-vaccine information online and those folks are very good at SEO. SEO is the practice that when someone does a Google search, you want them to land on your page for certain topics so you can structure your website that way. If you do any one of numerous searches about vaccines, autism and other topics, you very likely will get many search results that contain false and inaccurate vaccine information. Yes, it is false and inaccurate. (Google has since tried to remedy this, but it still exists)
However…I was in a very bad place. It was like I was walking around with no skin on. I felt like people could see into my head to see what I was thinking and doing, like they could see my soul. I am embarrassed for falling victim to this scheme and for what dangers I could have caused my family and others, but I cannot make apologies for how vulnerable I was. It’s just part of the process. When you get a diagnosis like this, you have to mourn the loss of your typical child and prepare for life with a child with special needs. One of the other steps in this process is to try to “fix” your child. And dammit, I was going to fix him. No way my kid was going to develop autism (silly me, looking back, signs of autism were present from the moment he popped out). No sir, I was going to be the mom who prevented her child from getting autism.
And according to what I was reading online, one of the ways to do that was to avoid vaccines. So I did. Again, just to point out how frazzled I was at this point in life, he was 8 months old–so he already had vaccines at birth and regularly up to 8 months. But it made sense to me at the time, that’s all I can say now. I know I mentioned it to my husband but I’m not positive he fully understood what was going on–like most households, I take care of the “mom” stuff and he trusts me to do the right thing. That part hurts me–that I was trusted to just do what needed to be done and I failed. I failed my son and my husband. My husband also was dealing with the diagnosis himself and making sense of it all while trying to maintain a job and everything else.
To give you a time frame, this was 2007. That’s important for several reasons. First, Jenny McCarthy’s book didn’t come out until 2008. I wasn’t listening to her. In fact, her book came out around the same time as Dr. Offit’s, and if anything, her book pushed me in the other direction. Andrew Wakefield was certainly not trusted by his {then} medical peers, but as far as the general public, he hadn’t been fully outed yet. His fraudulent study was not retracted until 2010, the same year he lost his license.
British journalist Brian Deer published some of his material in 2004, but Wakefield still had a medical license and published study to fall back on. Facebook was around but still very much in it’s infancy and popular largely with just college kids and young adults. I wasn’t being presented information by my close friends, neighbors and peers. I was finding this information online, mostly just from searching and from some parenting chat boards which were popular at the time. Blogging was still also very much in it’s infancy, many people had never heard of a blog. If you saw an article online, you assumed it was from a credible source.
Now that blogging and self-publishing are much more popular, we question the source more as readers. There are many blogs and anti-vaccine sites that go out of their way to design their site like a credible news site….when they are in fact, just blogs. Don’t get me wrong, I love blogs, obviously. But anyone can start one at anytime.
My pediatrician. Thank goodness she was patient with me and didn’t kick me out of her practice. I still took him in for his regular checkups, and since we were still in the early phases of being diagnosed, he had many follow-up and specialist appointments. Each time, she’d ask me to vaccinate.
There was lots of screaming (both of us) and tears (mine). I was belligerent, adamant and oh-so-much-more educated (ha, like most anti-vaxxers think) than the general public. I distinctly remember her saying, during many of our arguments, “Just you wait, there is information coming out….” She was aware of Dr. Offit’s book coming out, but it hadn’t been released yet.
For a few months, I acted like nothing short of a giant horse’s ass. I spewed all the buzzwords-proteins, antigens, adjuvants, alternative schedule…I knew it all! This is the really embarrassing part of this journey, because when I hear or read some of what the anti-vaxxers say now, in my head I think, “I can’t believe I used to say stupid stuff like that.” They use big words.
There’s a really funny and odd meme that makes the rounds of Facebook every once is a while, and it says “Vaccines don’t cause autism, they just cause demyelinating of the sheath which causes autism.” Sounds impressive, doesn’t it? TOO BAD autism is NOT a demyelinating disease! The most common demyelinating disease is MS, which is NOT autism. But this is the type of language that these folks use to sound and feel superior to you.
When you are in a very vulnerable spot, it works. Once you are there, you are drawn to it. You feel like you making proactive choices for your child. You find a common bond in others who have made these choices. You seek reassurance online that these are good choices and there are plenty of people willing to reassure you.
A few months went by and during another argument with my pediatrician, she pleaded with me to read Autism’s False Prophets by Dr. Offit which was just being released.
And now my copy is signed…more on that later.
So I did. I don’t know if it was fate, karma or me getting my feet back under me and coming to my senses….but I actually went home, ordered the book, waited a few days for it to arrive, and read it. And once I started, I couldn’t put it down. I felt ashamed, I felt scared (for what I had exposed K to), I felt stupid…I felt relieved.
And then I became angry.
Because here’s the thing….there is no case for not vaccinating your child. Vaccinating has risks, no one has ever claimed that it doesn’t. But the risks of NOT VACCINATING are GREATER than the risks of vaccinating. It’s really that simple. Both have risks, one has a greater risk of harm to children.
So I’m angry for being lied to. Because it is all lies.
As I got my feet under me, I began to embrace my child for who he is, instead of living in fear of who he may become. I felt a life calling to help children with disabilities, and in 20 years I have encountered hundreds of children with various disabilities–including some cancer patients and cancer survivors, children who are medically complex and medically fragile, and some who have other issues that cause them to be immuno-compromised.
So then I get angry all over again. Because these anti-vaxxers are putting those helpless children at risk. A child who is going through chemo, and her parents…they have enough to worry about. They shouldn’t have to worry about some mom passing the flu or chicken pox onto their child because they believe false information. I get really angry when I read things like “I don’t care about herd immunity” because while you may not care, for some children, their lives depend on it. Those are the moms I want to throat-punch. (mostly kidding, I’m not violent at all, but that makes me seethe with anger)
As parents of children with special needs, we are a very vulnerable population. For as much as I love my child and am able to celebrate him for who he is, we still sometimes wish there was a magic pill or potion that could make all of our struggles go away, right? There isn’t, it’s just a daydream. But, for the anti-vaxxers, they usually have an expensive and interesting array of products to go along with your not vaccinating. None of which is proven to work. If they talk you into not vaccinating, that doesn’t bring them any money.
But, if they can sell you the promise of fixing your child with special diets (just buy our book for details!) or supplements (widely available on these sites) or anything else….well it’s quite a lucrative business. This one financial report for the NVIC, just one of many of these organizations, lists that they brought in a million dollars. Where did that money go? How many children did that money help? (answer: 0) Exactly zero lives were made better. They can rant all day long about ulterior motives of doctors, but the anti-vaxxers are making a very nice profit for themselves.
I’m angry that I was lied to and encouraged to put my child at increased risk. He has significant special needs and is non-verbal, a headache or backache from meningitis would be impossible to recognize. He has hypotonia, which means he does not have the muscle tone or strength to produce as forceful of a cough as his peers–something like pertussis or an infection could quickly settle in his lungs and become dangerous. Plus, chromosomally, he is put together differently than you and I…at the most basic DNA level, we don’t even know if his body’s reaction to things like measles and chicken pox will be the same reaction that is seen in other kids. It could be much worse. I still get a feeling of panic and sadness when I think of what could have happened.
That book changed my life. I was so impressed by Dr. Offit’s writings and his commitment to letting people know the science and what is real and true…I wanted to meet him. So one summer I arranged for a few bloggers to tour the Vaccine Education Center. I sometimes wonder, if it hadn’t been for that book, would I have come around? What would have been the catalyst for me to regain my common sense? I don’t know…but I am glad that it happened sooner rather than later.
You know how when people who are former smokers…they become the most ardent supporters for people quitting smoking? It’s like that. I am determined to help my fellow special needs moms not fall victim to this nonsense. Nonsense that is actually becoming dangerous. We are seeing vaccination rates that rival some parts of developing countries in Africa. We are seeing epidemics of measles and whooping cough that we haven’t seen since the 1950s.
All because fear sells.
Now it’s time to fear the diseases again. Vaccine skepticism is a first world luxury. For now, anyway.
So there it is, all out in the open. I think it was easier for me to come to my senses because I am a science person and skeptic anyway. I need to see evidence. I truly feel that there are probably some anti-vaxxers who are in it so deep that they can’t get out, even though in their gut they know that they have been lied to and are lying to others.
It’s very hard to stand up and say “I was wrong” especially when you have put your family in danger, put other children in danger, and have encouraged other moms to do the same. But there is always time to do the right thing. You don’t have to go full force and join Shot at Life and become an advocate like I did.
You can start with one big, meaningful step–take your child to get vaccinated. Get caught up on his/her vaccines, apologize that they have to do so many so late in life. Allow yourself to feel guilty for being misinformed and allow yourself to forgive yourself for that.
You might also be interested in: Grieving Your Child’s Disability Diagnosis: A Controversial Conversation
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I wonder if any data has been collected on how many parents attend IEP meetings but are not able to make a valuable contribution or are too embarrassed to say that they don't understand things?
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