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would PWN help in anyway when school is trying to kick us out?
JSD24 replied to charcola's question in IEP Questions
It sounds like CA is different from where I am (PA). We get an IEP & we also get a NOREP (which is PWN) and it's the NOREP/PWN that parents sign. I found this on CA & PWN: https://serr.disabilityrightsca.org/serr-manual/chapter-4-information-on-iep-process/4-17-what-is-prior-written-notice-pwn/ It looks like you'd need to request a change of placement & have the school say no in order for PWN to be of use. What you really want is 'stay put'/no change the the current IEP or placement. I believe in CA, parents hold the cards with moving the IEP process forward because you need to sign that you are OK with the IEP for the new IEP to be implemented. I'm not exactly sure how the process works but my feeling is that you should write a parent concerns letter. You want your child to stay where they are because you just changed up support and you don't feel things have been in place long enough to say it's not working and your child should change schools. I'm hoping someone with a better handle on how things work in CA answers this too. -
Discovery on PA Keystone Assessments for Graduation Req's
JSD24 replied to Teresa A's topic in Pennsylvania Parents's Topics
When Keystones were first introduced in 2013 (my daughter's class was the 1st class to take them - she was class of 2014), there was a project based assessment that substituted for passing Keystones. They tried it & realized you needed to pay teachers to oversee these projects & schools didn't have the funds or personnel to do this and that path faded away as implementation dates for keystones being a graduation requirement kept being pushed back. I'm pretty sure that this wasn't one of the alt pathways that was part of Act 158 of 2018. My school district just started offering the ASVAB as an alt pathway. What's cool about this option is the ASVAB also has a companion part which takes how the student did and comes up with career suggestions that match the things they are good at (per the test) with potential job pathways. Graduating based on meeting IEP goals is an option but these students are generally not headed to postsecondary schools or a career with a lot of opportunity for growth. There's a class you can take that counts as passing the Keystone but I don't feel that doing this really shows mastery of the subject. -
In my district, we have RBTs who can push in behavioral interventions when a student is in gen ed classes. I don't see how this methodology would work with students who have emotional disabilities. I don't believe this is best practice. I'm surprised with reporting them to the state that they haven't pulled the teacher's license. (If reported to the school, they might not do much if the teacher has tenure.) One approach would be to show your child needs a firm but calm approach without swearing. Then you have the teacher follow the IEP/find a placement that fits his needs.
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Possible to change goal if everyone agrees?
JSD24 replied to TendingMyGarden's question in IEP Questions
You're on point with this. I wouldn't look to change an IEP that covered Jan 22 - Jan 23. Every goal should have a service/specially designed instruction to help the student meet this goal. If the goal is to remain calm in triggering situations, there should services to help the child meet this goal - just like you would expect services to teach a child to read if that was their goal. (If they had the skill, they wouldn't need an IEP with this goal. IEPs are all about SDI - specially designed instruction - to meet goals.) There should be mention of the person & place associated with these services as well as a timeframe: Speech services once per 6-day cycle for 45 minutes provided by the SLP in their office. With emotional regulation, the school social worker or someone with clinical expertise & credentials might be providing services. https://adayinourshoes.com/emotional-self-regulation/ (They should be taught when the student is calm & receptive to learning not alongside of someone de-escalating the situation.) If last year's goal will continue as a goal & there was no detail on how the services were provided, I think they should correct this for the current IEP. The old IEP has lapsed. No use spending time on it. I do feel you are in your right to ask how often a goal was worked on, with whom and if it was in the classroom or during a pull-out session. The current IEP should specify what's being done going forward. The situation might fall under something that can be fixed with a state complaint. -
Gen Ed Teacher Excusal with No Gen Ed Teacher on the Team--Curious if this is normal
JSD24 replied to KateG's question in IEP Questions
Rules like this vary from state to state. I'm pretty sure in my state, PA, that a gen ed teacher would only be required if the topic was moving your child to gen ed for some amount of time. So, no, this isn't typical. (It might be CYA on the part of the school because they were found to not have this when it was needed. IMO, you shouldn't hesitate to sign this.) -
In my state, I believe there is a 2 week wait for homebound services to start. There is also a shortage of teachers willing to do this as they do it after school. Some schools offer cyber instruction in cases like this so don't be surprised if this is their solution. (It tends to be a max of 10 hours/week with a teacher coming to your home.) Cyber tends to be more hours. I'm not sure how they can accommodate sp ed instruction since the teacher would need to be sp ed certified.
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Emotional/Psychological toll of IEP process on parents?
JSD24 replied to Francesca Sternfeld's question in IEP Questions
My children are all high school graduates but my feeling at IEP meetings was that if the school did not see the need to remediate my child, it would fall on me and I have a lot less resources than a school district. I have anxiety and would often take anti-anxiety medication in order to get through an IEP meeting. I'm busy right now but will look at contacting you when things settle down.- 3 replies
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Did they have evaluations that documented their position that he's met goals/isn't disabled any more? There should be a trail of him meeting goals and testing out of special ed. You can ask to see their info on this.
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I tend to wear nice shirts or polos. Lots of option for pants but my choice tends to be jeans or pull-on pants or capris in warmer weather. In many schools, wearing a suit has you overdressed. If you ditch the suit jacket you might fit in better and still keep with a style you like.
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Repeatedly Denied Assessments, Now facing truancy
JSD24 replied to Allysia's topic in IEP/504 Advocates
You have a lot going on here. Where to start. First, there is a rule in education/sp ed: If it's not in writing, it didn't happen. It's great that you brought her medical provider to meetings with the school but it can be more powerful to have a provider write a report outlining what challenges a child has as well as how this can get in the way of access to an education. For example, I have convergence insufficiency like your child. Specifically, I have intermittent exotropia. Without the right glasses, I have double vision, dizziness, migraines and a lack of reading comprehension. When I don't get enough sleep, the glasses aren't enough to bring me to where I can read at 100%. A good accommodation for me would be audiobooks so I can close my eyes and still access written material. Since I'm not in school, I'm not sure if my ability to take notes would be affected but lecture notes might be a good accommodation since mine might not be great. These are accommodations (doesn't involve any special instruction) so I could have a 504 with these things on it to help me. When the school filed for truancy, they went to your child's file and see what's there. Was there doctor notes or reports that outline what the doctor diagnosed and how this affects her at school? I'm assuming you do not have credentials in mental health so the school can't tell where you got the idea from that your child needs accommodation from the school. If there was written info from a credentialed provider and they still brought truancy charges, shame on them. If there was nothing in her file, well, her paperwork makes it appear that she's cutting school for no reason or perhaps to cause trouble in the community or in this case, parents are looking to CYA for the child. You do not do sp ed advocacy as your career. Don't blame yourself for not knowing how the system works. (Even experienced advocates learn things by seeing how they play out. We don't know 100% either.) When you go to truancy court, be sure to support her reasons for not attending school by providing the judge with documentation of her mental health struggles from someone with appropriate credentials. This should help with this case. Initial meeting. I'm assuming it's to go over the screeners the school did. It's a start. It would be great if you had access to the results of these screeners beforehand so you can think about your response to what's there which I'm sure the school will do. (Send them an email asking them for this - do it today.) One thing about screeners is they don't take as much time as assessments so they do have a role but being quick, they are not comprehensive and are not as accurate as special ed assessments. It's great that you have had an IEE done but as an outside evaluation, the school will only consider it. I hope you have provided copies of this report to the school so they have time to review it as well as avoid duplicating any of the tests that were used because repeating the same tests within 12 months renders the 2nd test's results invalid. If the school doesn't see the same things outlined in the IEE report, you can request that they redo the assessments using a similar normed, assessment. Good luck with this. I'm not sure about an advocate in your area but COPPA has a list of advocates that went through their training.- 2 replies
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Emotional Disturbance or Autism Spectrum Disorder
JSD24 replied to 5states1year's question in IEP Questions
There are studies that show anxiety comes with an ASD diagnosis a lot of the time. The bar for a school ASD diagnosis is different from a medical diagnosis. This is why a school can see a student with ASD as a student with an ED disability. In theory, additional ASD testing is what's needed to get the school to see that ASD is the accurate disability category. In my state, the state dept of ed penalizes schools that over-identify students in any IDEA category - my district was dinged for too many Asian students with an ASD box checked. I think this might play into why students are misidentified. The CDC keeps coming out with new numbers on how many kids have autism - latest is 1 in 34. I'm not sure if states adjust their 'over-identify limits' when this happens. -
Pennsylvania IEP denied-no academic failure 2e
JSD24 replied to Smiley74's question in IEP Questions
RTI & MTSS are general education things so no need to tell PDE anything about this in the report that covers sp ed. The Child Study Team (your school might give it a different name) should have a rubric for identifying students for RTI & MTSS. You can ask for a copy. If you suspect autism & issues with pragmatics, you want something like the TOPL to be done. With a bright child who masks, you want the optional extended assessment to be done or they might say your child is average. I speak from experience. Applying for Medicaid for your disabled child and having them cover speech therapy outside of school is also an option in PA. This is the application if you want to do this: https://www.dhs.pa.gov/Services/Assistance/Pages/Apply-for-Benefits.aspx -
"Learning boundary" vs Learning disability
JSD24 replied to Dylan27's topic in Federal Issues and Bills
I think sticking with terms that are used and defined in IDEA is good. I do like your term 'learning boundary' where the term 'boundary' is inferring that something extra is needed to move things ahead. It's like saying 'he hit a wall' and we need to figure out a way to get around it with the way being support via IEP (or 504) services. If you use 'boundary', be sure you define it. -
Forgot to mention ESY. ESY is to work on IEP goals during a time when school isn't scheduled for general ed students. Summer school for credit recovery is not the same as ESY. If he does take a summer class, he should get the same support that is in his IEP during the reg school year. You do need to have all required IEP team members at a meeting in order to make changes to the IEP. Small/minor changes could be done via a no-meet revision provided everyone is OK with this change. You need to figure out how he went from advanced 95th percentile to not participating in school. To me, it looks like anxiety is at the root of his issues.
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At age 16, he should be at his IEP meeting and the loudest voice in the room. To me, anxiety seems to be his biggest issue. It looks to be what's between him & success in school. At 16, they should be looking at transition so jobs, driving, etc so this is appropriate but he's still got to pass HS & earn enough credits to graduate. Sitting in a classroom & not being engaged in learning what the teacher is teaching is not "access to an education". I think you need to talk to your son and see what his perspective is on what's getting in the way of school success. From there you see if data is needed in the way of evaluations or if you can move straight to adding support and goals so your child can be successful.
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What to do when the clock runs out?
JSD24 replied to Persistently Persistent's question in IEP Questions
With a 1st IEP, parents do have to sign off on their child receiving sp ed services. The school cannot provide IEP services w/o written permission from the parents that it's OK. With a 2nd or 3rd or 27th IEP, another signature generally isn't required. If your OK wasn't required, they should have already started services after your March meeting. -
Is the school required to give you a notice on change of education or placement
JSD24 replied to Lesly Nieto's question in IEP Questions
I saw a similar post in another group. IEP meeting was on Wed & the school wants him in a new building on Monday. My state's regs say 10 days notice is required to change placement. Looks like other schools are looking to do this as well. If your child is currently in a placement outside of your local school, it means that the local school couldn't provided the services the IEP said were needed. I'd ask what changed? Did the school hire someone? Did he needs change where he needed X and has met goals so it's not needed? I don't think this is predetermination if things changed where he doesn't need the same things he did when he was placed at this other school. LRE is the law so if the local school is LRE because something changed, I don't think you can fight that. Find out what changed so you can see if the school's perception is correct or not. -
When is it too late to seek school services?
JSD24 replied to EmilyM's question in Transition to Adulthood
You are correct that Child Find is on the school so they should be identifying students with disabilities and requesting that parents sign a PTE so they can do an evaluation. I have seen where a student's needs were no properly identified and the student graduated and they did come back & get an IEP & services. Not sure if an attorney is needed to move forward with a situation like this. (Most do offer a free 15 min consult.) -
I'm in PA and the 60 days are calendar days but summer break doesn't count. Some schools will do evals over the summer - depends if they have staff who can do this. (My district adds 5 days to the contract of their school psychologists so they can be called to do some evals over the summer w/o it costing extra to the district.) Would your daughter be willing to work on learning math over the summer? There are programs like KhanAcademy that are free & do a great job with math. Look at accommodations before doing modifications. With modifications, your child might nor be eligible for a HS diploma and that can close doors with what happens after HS graduation. Lots of schools don't provide direct & explicit instruction in math on the fundamentals - especially in 5th grade. If a lack of a strong math foundation is the problem, building that foundation over the summer can help set her up for success next year.
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Are you in a state that mandates gifted services at school? If you are, the school can (and should) be assessing for this. As far as communication goes, autism causes issues with communication so moving forward with an autism eval should definitely be done. There is a resource I posted on here about Ross Greene. His protocol helps with communication - the idea behind it is to work with a child & solve problems. Curious if the school looked at pragmatics & social skills. These are the 2 areas where kids like yours tend to need help. I've found that many schools don't look at this so they miss that a student needs help with these.
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What to do when the clock runs out?
JSD24 replied to Persistently Persistent's question in IEP Questions
So the team as met twice - once where the meeting started late and a 2nd time where they forgot to invite the parents. This 2nd meeting wasn't an IEP meeting because there wasn't adequate notification for parents to attend (at least IMO). You said they did meet and changed what they proposed as FAPE. I'm assuming they gave you a copy of this IEP to sign off on but your feeling is that it still needs tweaking. My thought is for you to go through the evaluation report and list out the areas of need they mention and come up with a list of what the IEP should address. Next step is to go through the IEP & see if they did address the areas where they mention a need. From there, you can write a parent concerns letter saying you are concerned that the eval says there are the following areas that need to be addressed that are not addressed. See if you can hash out the tweaks via back & forth email and come up with something you're willing to sign off on. IEP meetings tend not to happen in the summer because teachers aren't contracted to work & they are a required IEP team member - you need 2, one sp ed teacher & another gen ed teacher to have an official meeting. Excusing these team members from attending is also an option if you want to move this forward over the summer. My child's 1st IEP meeting was help on June 15. I remember the date as it's my mom's birthday. This was at the tail end of 8th grade. I believe it was mostly HS staff; the meeting was held in the HS. Are they adding HS staff with the additional people they are inviting to the meeting? With a delay like this, the fear would be that the data gets stale. There are changes to the baseline where the student's needs have changed. If you can afford it, see about having an advocate help you with going through the eval & the IEP to see if things are all addressed. If you see a need and there's nothing in the eval about it, you might need to request an eval that covers that area. Since the delays were due to how the school did things, in theory, your child should get back services to make up for this. This might not make sense. (We were told my son was going to get COVID compensatory services. His IEP was all about keeping up with his classes. They wanted to do these services during the summer when he had no class to keep up with. If this is you child's situation, it might not make sense to get make up services.) I think your urgency should be making sure HS gets off on the right foot. -
Request a no meet revision to his IEP: Please change XX's accommodation. It currently is "any assignment for which he receives <70% can be resubmitted ". It needs to be "any assignment for which he receives <70% can be resubmitted including assignments that were handed in after their due date". I was under the impression that "any" included any assignment which would include any late assignment. I feel the accommodation needs to be clarified. Feel free to copy what I wrote. He might still have points taken off due to the assignment being late. Was this assignment under 70 due to points being taken off because it was late? This might not help that situation.
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As kids grow & change, the support they need from their IEP might need to change too. Since the current IEP is preventing him from passing his classes, it makes sense to request an IEP meeting to tweak the support he gets so he can pass his classes. And hold the principal accountable. If they said they'd follow up on things, send an email and ask what they think needs to be done to help. What's going on with the lack of focus? Is it the material where it's too hard (or too easy)? If it's too hard, he might need to be pre taught so it is easier. It the zoning out an absent seizure where he's got a medical issue going on? If they touch his shoulder (and I know that teachers don't generally put hands on students - my suggestion is a touch to redirect) does he respond? I'd say it's not OK for ANY student to be failing several classes. Something different needs to be done. It could be simply implementing the current IEP to what it says to do or he could need more than what the IEP says to do. The squeaky wheel get the grease. Squeak to get your child what they need. With sports, it's the state HS sport association that requires passing grades so it cannot be accommodated through the IEP process. The school needs to help him so he can continue to do sports.
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Emotional Disturbance or Autism Spectrum Disorder
JSD24 replied to 5states1year's question in IEP Questions
The only way to ensure the ASD box is checked on the IEP is to refuse to sign the IEP unless that's what they check. It might delay the IEP getting put in place as this can take time to do. You might want to request a facilitated IEP meeting. Not sure if the parent education group in your state can help you advocate. Every state has one. I'd reach out to them for help. -
Will he be in a different building next year? Schools have their own policies on this. I had this happen with my son - not a speech IEP nor are we in TX. (Sometimes they are just looking to make sure they don't have a bunch of IEP meetings that have to happen around the same time so they do some earlier than required.)